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Jul. 1st, 2012 01:37 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Fanlore definition:
Fandom badly needs this term or something similar; I was recently complaining to![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
ghostyouknow27 that what I really needed was some way to mark a fic as "has kissing, but isn't actually shippy." However, I'm not convinced this term has wide enough currency to be useful.
Fanlore definition:
"Bob" is a recent term used by some fanfic writers as a variance of gen to indicate a story that has sexual elements or pairings, but those are not central; the definition used by musesfool in her meta about gen, is "stories where there is a sexual element but it is not the point of the story".
Fandom badly needs this term or something similar; I was recently complaining to
ghostyouknow27 that what I really needed was some way to mark a fic as "has kissing, but isn't actually shippy." However, I'm not convinced this term has wide enough currency to be useful.
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Date: 2012-07-01 08:42 pm (UTC)katebobbins meaning a little bit rubbish, perchance?eta - so completely wide of the mark. Nope, I had no awareness of bob as a fanlore neologism. Mine is English (North Eastern ) lingo.
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Date: 2012-07-01 10:41 pm (UTC)Also, I see you friended. Welcome! Feel free to drop in any time. :)
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Date: 2012-07-01 08:59 pm (UTC)KateBob from Blackadder.And the above is pretty much the definition I've always used for gen.
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Date: 2012-07-01 09:00 pm (UTC)I still personally class it as being Dean/Lisa even though it's gen as far as their actions in the story because I use the couple definition of gen (i.e. if there is a pairing it's not gen), but gen really is quite murky in that everyone has their own definition for it.
And I love your Anya rocking the bunnies icon ;)
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Date: 2012-07-01 10:50 pm (UTC)It's more complicated than it looks! Personally, I tend to just say things have "background A/B" and leave it at that. People who are heartily opposed to A/B can avoid, and everyone else knows that it won't be all about the Twoo Wuv between A and B. :)
ANYA. She is one of my favorites. Here, have her and Xander dancing. :)
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Date: 2012-07-02 03:43 am (UTC)Exactly! That's what I did with my last fic. I had like 56K of gen and maybe 2K of Dean/Lisa interaction (about 0.4K of which was non-explicit sexual). Even for me, the purist, to list that story as Dean/Lisa just because they're kind of there in the background doesn't feel accurate as far as letting readers know what they're going to get.
Oh, so much love! Anya is as cute as a button (especially with Xander) and that 'I'll Never Tell' duet - so absolutely precious!
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Date: 2012-07-02 12:06 am (UTC)Although most of my fics are by definition "Spuffy", a few could almost be called "ensemble" which I kind of like for a story that includes a lot of characters, some of which are paired off.
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Date: 2012-07-02 12:16 am (UTC)And that was just it. Lots of people who were not pro-Wincest were opposed to including it in any definition of gen, regardless of how they'd defined the term before.
Personally, I think my definition of gen hinges on whether or not the background ships are canonical. But then again, I had that one Sam/Jo (non-canonical ship) fic that was actually all about Jo and Dean, and I tentatively called that gen. That's a fic where bob would have been an extremely useful term.
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Date: 2012-07-02 12:06 am (UTC)Admittedly, I think of most non-shmoopy things with the sex scenes "off screen" as gen. Perhaps that's too broad, though. In one story for
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Date: 2012-07-02 01:18 am (UTC)As far as I am concerned, a bob-fic is an RPF about me.
ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES.
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Date: 2012-07-02 03:17 am (UTC)In any case, how useful! I will ~use that the next chance I get. :D
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:08 am (UTC)all about bob
Date: 2012-07-02 03:54 am (UTC)But I kind of love the idea of gen = utterly without romantic/sexual feelings of any sort anywhere. Like, this story takes place in an AU where humans reproduce by budding.
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Date: 2012-07-02 03:45 pm (UTC)Re: all about bob
Date: 2012-07-02 06:09 pm (UTC)"In budding time, in budding time,
In sweet, delightful budding time,
When..."
I guess they whisper their own names tenderly, too.
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Date: 2012-07-02 11:15 am (UTC)Otherwise, I would probably assume it was a Blackadder reference and something to do with cross dressing.
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Date: 2012-07-02 02:46 pm (UTC)has kissing, but isn't actually shippy
YES.
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Date: 2012-07-04 01:10 am (UTC)