Regarding Dollhouse 2.11

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RARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

I should have known as soon as he kissed her. I should have known.

Comments

[quinara]

There's a certain way of knowing when Joss is closing down a show... *pats you on the shoulder*

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It's not necessarily even the people dying part. It's the dying right then. Because no way could a death be meaningful unless there'd been some lip contact (or, cases like Willow/Tara and Xander/Anya, a lot more) beforehand.

Grump. Grump grump.

[quinara]

:(

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Aw. Thanks for the shoulder-pats anyway. :)

[quinara]

I've had time to get over the pain! All we can do is help each other heal... *has clearly been watching too many Joss shows with the sometimes-cheesy dialogue*

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Heh. S'what fandom's for, right?

[quinara]

It's why I'm here... (Also the fic. :P)

[next_to_normal]

Joss (in Angelus voice): "And you fall for it every time!"

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Me: "Through the portal with you, then!"

Seriously, I think this might be my last straw with Joss. I'll finish the series, but I am so tired of him killing relationships (even just beginning ones!) as brutally as possible.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Hon, I so understand. The first couple of times he did it, it was shocking in the right ways. Now, it's gotten stale and cliche, and he's beginning to appear like a one-trick pony.

This was exactly my reaction to "Dr. Horrible" as well. I literally shouted, "I KNEW IT!" at the screen. Then, with Bennett, as soon as Claire/Whiskey came in the room all scary-like, I knew it would happen to one of them.

I cannot wait for your reaction to the finale.

[next_to_normal]

You know what really pissed me off about Dr. Horrible? The fact that this was the one time killing someone off would've been appropriate - the plot practically demanded it (Billy had to lose the one thing he wanted most in order to become Dr. Horrible), but because Joss had already pulled that trick a dozen times, the impact was completely ruined.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes. You're so absolutely right.

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I cannot wait for your reaction to the finale.

Er. Considering the topic of the rest of this discussion, I'm now concerned. OTOH: maybe we kill off Echo! Finally! I mean, if we're going to so cavalierly kill people off, can't we kill the people we dislike? (This, incidentally, is one reason I stuck with LOST as long as I did: they kept killing people off, and they were all people I didn't like. It was great.)

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Well, on the one hand, you should be concerned. On the other, you shouldn't. There were good surprises and...other kinds. It's just a really interesting mix.

Echo's story is...interesting. Very, very interesting. You'll see.

Oooh! You gave up on LOST, too? I don't think we've talked about this! I was upset at one or two of the deaths, but yeah, I get what you're saying.

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You are no help, yanno.

Really? Echo interesting? This I cannot wait to see.

Actually, it wasn't the deaths on LOST that bothered me. Boone, Shannon, Lydia, even Ana Lucia (although I was just starting to like her at that point), and those two really annoying background characters - I was glad to see them go.

It was the "mystery" I finally gave up on. The writers just kept digging themselves deeper and deeper, and nothing I saw suggested that I'd actually believe their big convoluted explanation when they finally (after waaaay too long) bothered to give it to us. The time warp thing and all the magnetic jiggery pokery and the biomedical questions and the Others and... blarg!

OTOH, there were some characters that I really liked, right up to the time I left. I thought Juliet was fascinating and I'd have been willing to watch a full 45 minutes of her every week. Also really enjoyed Sayid, Rousseau (although I hear she's dead now), Hurley, occasionally Sawyer, and Sun and Jin when they weren't angsting over stupid adulterous affairs.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm trying to be ambiguous!

Yes, interesting. Still all special snowflake annoying, but...her ending is pretty much the last thing I ever would have expected. I'm very anxious to hear your reaction to it (I keep saying that, don't I?).

Charlie! And Mr. Eko! Didn't they die? I liked them! But yeah, everybody else you named I was not sorry to see go.

And I TOTALLY AGREE about the mystery. That's why I gave up, too. You can't keep introducing new mysteries without resolving at least a few of the old ones first.

I hadn't seen a ton of Juliet before I left off, but I did like her. And all of the other people you mentioned, actually, were the same ones I liked as well. Which does not surprise me.

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You can't keep introducing new mysteries without resolving at least a few of the old ones first.

And I gave up when there was clearly no one elegant solution to it all. It was going to be a big messy Frankenstein of solutions.

Which does not surprise me.

Because we both have excellent taste.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

And I gave up when there was clearly no one elegant solution to it all. It was going to be a big messy Frankenstein of solutions. See also: Battlestar Galactica. *sigh* Such a genius show in so many ways, but such a disappointing ending. I always cite it when people ask me why I don't get into LOST again: it's not going to end well, that's why.

*nods* We really do.

[next_to_normal]

I wonder if he realizes the diminishing returns here. Does he honestly still think it's shocking to the audience, rather than becoming completely predictable? Personally, I find it more shocking now when he doesn't ruin a happy couple.

[penny-lane-42.livejournal.com]

Yup. My reaction exactly.

Your icon is so appropriate!

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The bright side: a great excuse to use my rage mood icon.

[rebcake.livejournal.com]

Oh. That kiss 'o imminent death. I got them mixed up. *sigh*

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You mean there's more?!?

No. Don't answer that.