and more SPN eps
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snick_backupClearly, one of the things about this show that's going to bother me is Dean and Sam lying like dogs and occasionally making idiots of themselves while doing it. I'm much more comfortable with the suspense of ghostly spirits coming out of mirrors than I am the suspense of Dean's stupid cover story possibly being found out at any moment. And since they practically never tell anyone the truth about themselves - certainly not the first time they're asked - this is clearly going to come up a lot.
It occurs to me that they'd come across as a lot less threatening to random strangers if they had a woman working with them. It'd also make scenarios like them being alone with a teenage girl in her bedroom a lot less squicky.
Bloody Mary
The final solution to destroying Bloody Mary seemed just a wee bit circular. When other people look in the mirror, she shows them reflections of themselves, spouting truth. But when she looks in the mirror, who's showing her her reflection?
The ep tied in very neatly to Sam's arc and his ongoing grief for and guilt over Jessica's death. Nicely done. I still wish, though, we'd been given more of Jess herself before she died, so that I could relate even a little bit to Sam's grief.
Skin
Yanno, that opening scene was a total scam. It only took five minutes of the episode to figure it was Dean's double and not Dean himself torturing that woman, but it would have been a whole lot more interesting if that had actually been Dean. I figured she was some evil something or other and he had a reason, and whether that reason was good or bad I wanted to know what it was. Feh.
OTOH, this was an interesting first exploration into what it means to be a Winchester. Key quotes:
* "In this gig it doesn't pay to get to close to anyone"
* "Like it or not, we are not like other people."
I feel the need to point out that Dean looks very nice in a t-shirt. Or, you know, not in a t-shirt. Either way.
Not to say there wasn't some genuine grossness in the shape shifting scene - ear! teeth! - but mostly it was just hilariously awful and/or awfully hilarious.
I'm confused. Not!Dean walloped Rebecca over the head and took her to the sewers after the incident where he'd tied her up, beaten her, and let the SWAT team break in? I feel like the writers should have had her respond to that somehow in there - with all the impersonation going on, the ep could have used just a few more anchors to establish who was who when.
In fact, I'd have been amused if there'd actually been two shape shifters playing opposite each other so eventually all our actual people were off-screen and there were only the shape shifters messing with each other and not realizing it.
In other things, Holy Looming Abandonment Issues, Dean! Just in general, I loved how this ep let the shape shifter see into Dean's memories and tell Sam its twisted (or not so twisted) version of Dean's feelings. I figured for the sake of symmetry and yet more emotional baggage we'd see the shape shifter pretend to be Sam and do the same, but alas, no.
Overall, two very solid episodes, both with chewy character stuff and also a bit of long-term plotty goodness.
It occurs to me that they'd come across as a lot less threatening to random strangers if they had a woman working with them. It'd also make scenarios like them being alone with a teenage girl in her bedroom a lot less squicky.
Bloody Mary
The final solution to destroying Bloody Mary seemed just a wee bit circular. When other people look in the mirror, she shows them reflections of themselves, spouting truth. But when she looks in the mirror, who's showing her her reflection?
The ep tied in very neatly to Sam's arc and his ongoing grief for and guilt over Jessica's death. Nicely done. I still wish, though, we'd been given more of Jess herself before she died, so that I could relate even a little bit to Sam's grief.
Skin
Yanno, that opening scene was a total scam. It only took five minutes of the episode to figure it was Dean's double and not Dean himself torturing that woman, but it would have been a whole lot more interesting if that had actually been Dean. I figured she was some evil something or other and he had a reason, and whether that reason was good or bad I wanted to know what it was. Feh.
OTOH, this was an interesting first exploration into what it means to be a Winchester. Key quotes:
* "In this gig it doesn't pay to get to close to anyone"
* "Like it or not, we are not like other people."
I feel the need to point out that Dean looks very nice in a t-shirt. Or, you know, not in a t-shirt. Either way.
Not to say there wasn't some genuine grossness in the shape shifting scene - ear! teeth! - but mostly it was just hilariously awful and/or awfully hilarious.
I'm confused. Not!Dean walloped Rebecca over the head and took her to the sewers after the incident where he'd tied her up, beaten her, and let the SWAT team break in? I feel like the writers should have had her respond to that somehow in there - with all the impersonation going on, the ep could have used just a few more anchors to establish who was who when.
In fact, I'd have been amused if there'd actually been two shape shifters playing opposite each other so eventually all our actual people were off-screen and there were only the shape shifters messing with each other and not realizing it.
In other things, Holy Looming Abandonment Issues, Dean! Just in general, I loved how this ep let the shape shifter see into Dean's memories and tell Sam its twisted (or not so twisted) version of Dean's feelings. I figured for the sake of symmetry and yet more emotional baggage we'd see the shape shifter pretend to be Sam and do the same, but alas, no.
Overall, two very solid episodes, both with chewy character stuff and also a bit of long-term plotty goodness.
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:00 am (UTC)I knoooooow. *hugs the dude*
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:34 am (UTC)**pets you**
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:38 am (UTC)Hope that's nothing too spoilery! :D
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:42 am (UTC)But, yes, It was worth it. ;) Things don't scare me the same way anymore, though the ep with Six was seriously scary! I think I'm gonna take on the Sixth Sense now.
Actually, I still can't watch SPN before bed. *ducks*
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:53 am (UTC)If it makes you feel better, I love horror, but I hate vomit and bad things happening to eyeballs. I was sipping some coffee late this morning when I abruptly almost threw up; on my teevees, a zombie had thrown up, lost her eyeball, eaten her eyeball and then spittled. I also needed a shower. That's my official excuse for leaving the room. :D
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Date: 2011-03-06 03:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:59 am (UTC)I just realized, it appears that the Much Brigade (that's my new name for us, yes) has completely taken over Snick's journal. Sorry Snick!
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:03 am (UTC)There's an episode later where Dean tells Sam, "Watch out for Chris Hansen," when Sam goes to talk to a girl who's being haunted. I'm not sure why your comment made me think of this, but it did. :)
* "In this gig it doesn't pay to get to close to anyone"
* "Like it or not, we are not like other people."
Poor Winchesters.
I'm confused. Not!Dean walloped Rebecca over the head and took her to the sewers after the incident where he'd tied her up, beaten her, and let the SWAT team break in?
I'm still confused over the timeline of Skin, honestly.
However, I do find it hilarious that Dean is now legally dead.
In other things, Holy Looming Abandonment Issues, Dean!
Yep.
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:49 am (UTC)And yeah, the ep's got what might be some meaty character stuff going on, depending on where the show goes from here.
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:53 am (UTC)Well... maybe a tiny bit? I know, I am ridiculous. I just really like going in with as few preconceptions as possible, and though I know a bunch of spoilery events, the characterization and themes are pretty much all new, and I love the discovery part.
But I still really enjoy your comments!
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:55 am (UTC)Makes perfect sense to me (once, ah, I went and looked up Chris Hansen).
However, I do find it hilarious that Dean is now legally dead.
That is pretty fabulous. Surely that will come in useful somewhere down the road, either for the boys or against them.
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:59 am (UTC)AWWWW! That's awful! That was such a wonderful Spuffy episode!
SPN is already way grosser and scarier than The Sixth Sense (except maybe for the vomit, which is pretty gross, but then like GhostYouKnow I'm pretty grossed out by vomit). It's a good, solid movie where the character stuff is way more important than the horror stuff.
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Date: 2011-03-06 05:00 am (UTC)Seriously, even with books, I read them twice (if I like them, anyway). First, I rush through the plot, and then I reread to sit back and enjoy the build-up, since I now know everything that's going to happen. I'm psycho that way. :/
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Date: 2011-03-06 08:04 am (UTC)I actually think I'll post a general post and talk about my ridiculously low spoiler threshold, for the future reference of the flist. :)
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Date: 2011-03-06 08:07 am (UTC)Also: the Much Brigade? I'm curious - where does the name come from? And exactly whom is this brigade composed of?
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Date: 2011-03-06 08:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 12:01 pm (UTC)Try harder.no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 12:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 12:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 03:58 pm (UTC)I think the only real solution is to induct snick as an honorary member to Whatever It Is You Are Talking About. :D
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 04:04 pm (UTC)It's just our beta group! Where we often do more chatting than beta-ing. ;)
Snick is welcome to be an honorary member. She's already my honorary plot!beta. :D
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 04:07 pm (UTC)Noted! I really am sorry for being too spoilery. I'll restrict all comments to the episodes you've already seen, promise!
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:09 pm (UTC)how's that?no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 05:48 pm (UTC)Ugh, the eyeball sequences in Minority Report! Do not want!
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:27 pm (UTC)But only when I have some plot to beta! *poke*
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 06:44 pm (UTC)Aw, don't feel too sorry. I hadn't said anything; you couldn't have known. Is okay. :)
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:54 pm (UTC)The Weeping Angels, amirite?
Don't tell me it's the Absorbaloff.
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 08:26 pm (UTC)On a smaller nitpick, the spirits always disappear in burning agony when they salt their bones and burn them. How do they know this is the right thing to do? They do not always have to do this to get rid of the ghosts. It seems like a sane person would question this action.
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Date: 2011-03-06 09:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 10:59 pm (UTC)shiftless/shirtless loner boy = hott
Not that this is necessarily untrue...
It does not do a very good job of making the characters cohesive or distinct.
No? I find them pretty distinct. Dean's the daddy's boy, the would-be womanizer, the one who practices recklessness as a lifestyle, the blue-collar son; Sam's the "normal" one, the cautious one, the friendly and easy-going one who keeps his feelings to himself, the white-collar son (although the show only occasionally chooses to emphasize that last aspect).
Granted, their diction isn't terribly distinct, but then siblings often do have similar speech patterns, so I forgive them that.
As for the proper disposal/appeasement of ghosts, I've got nothing. Considering how often the ghosts are victims, it'd make sense to prefer the RIP option vs. the total destruction option.
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Date: 2011-03-07 03:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-07 04:45 am (UTC)It just taps into such a perfectly delicious primal fear. Best monsters ever, IMHO.
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Date: 2011-04-04 10:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-05 12:44 am (UTC)Jump moments, on the other hand, can legitimately spook me. ("Asylum" is a biggie for jump moments, in case they bother you.)
You are always welcome to drop in and restart discussion on old posts, BTW. And I'll try to keep from repeating myself when I comment on your reviews. :)